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Betty Hardaker
Sutton in Craven
Friday, January 19, 2018 09:12 |
America Farm
Can anybody tell me why America Farm was so called please |
Terry Longbottom
Valley
Wednesday, January 31, 2018 14:04 |
According to Alec Wood in his book Sutton in Craven, The Old Community, it probably takes its name from Benjamin Bottomley a tenant that had been to America nick-named Merica Ben. |
Denis Marshall Pickles
Norfolk
Friday, February 2, 2018 17:02 |
I thought that Terry would come up with the answer to that one. It might be interesting to know the origin of the names to other farms in the village. Long House Farm and Bay Horse Farm would seem to be easily explained but what about some of the others, Bent Farm, Stubbin Hill, Salt Pie for example. Any ideas on these Terry?
And while we are at it, before the big mills were built and before the village was little more than a sparse collection of a few cottages in the Low Fold area, around Sutton Hall and the bottom of West Lane, Sutton Fields etc., how did anyone access the village? |
Terry Longbottom
Valley
Saturday, February 3, 2018 10:14 |
Most of the roads out of the village existed as tracks across the common land, before the award of the land to private landowners, tracks both private and public were positioned and designated as roads by act of parliament,
Ellers road existed as far as the junction of strikes lane at that time, the crossing of the beck was by stepping stones.
The lane at the eastern side of the village went down mill hill past the corn mill then forded the river Holme (Eastburn beck) along Old Lane. back into the beck for 100 yds then up the bank to join road by the Eastburn-Glusburn boundary.
the road to Glusburn was over Sutton Fields Holme Lane was not yet in existence neither was Eastburn Lane.
Bent lane remained what it was, Sutton was linked to Malses, and at that time was much larger than it now is.
One needs to be mindful that roads came with wars and industry. Before roads, footpaths, sutton has many and lots that have been forgotten by most. and unknown to offcumdens. |
Robin Longbottom
Oakworth
Sunday, February 4, 2018 19:18 |
Denis, It is interesting that you mentioned West Lane in your message. The point being that it actually runs due south out of the village. This always puzzled me until I realized that it was the old road to the 'West', that is to Colne, Blackburn and beyond. The old name for Buckstones Lane, which joins West Lane at Four Lane Ends, is Colne Road and the milestone that was recently re-erected reads 'Cown 6 m'.
The old road to the 'North' is North Road through Low Fold, along Hazel Grove and through Sutton Fields to Glusburn. As Terry has said, Holme Lane eventually replaced this route.
To go east to Eastburn there appear to have been two routes, one mentioned by Terry and the other from the rear of the Bay Horse, along Hay Gate, or Hey's Lane. This route passed by Harper Wood and through Knott Farm before dropping down into Eastburn. It also gave access to Sutton Detached (two fields which lay in Eastburn). Remains of the holloway can still be seen.
The route to the 'South' went up through Ellers and was known as Haworth Road. This originally ran as far as Long House and Knowle Top Farms from where it drifted right towards America Farm and across to Pole Stoop. Remains of the holloway can still be made out. The new road over Sutton Stoop and down to Green Syke was built in the 1760's and referred to as the 'turnpike', although not a Trust and therefore free of charge.
The ancient route to Sutton Corn Mill was also from the Bay Horse along Wet Ings Lane which continued straight on, crossing what is now Park Avenue, before reaching the mill. Low Bridge or Bull bridge and the road passed the park and church appear to be late 17th or very early 18th century improvements.
Money to improve and make new roads and bridges was obtained by application to the Assize Courts (Quarter Sessions). Once a new road was built the old was quickly abandoned as a highway, although some remain as footpaths to the present day. |
Denis Marshall Pickles
Norfolk
Monday, February 5, 2018 10:40 |
Terry and Robin,
Thank you both for your extremely interesting and informative responses to my query. Your answers are much in line with the general idea I had in my mind, but far more detailed.
When I lived in Bent Lane some seventy years ago, I would often gaze out of my bedroom window to see if the Pinnacle still stood. I had a vested interest because my great grandad was one of the stone masons who built it! It always was there! But running diagonally below the tower and above Brush Farm was a mark in the landscape - I was told that it marked the line of an ancient packhorse route. Have you any knowledge about this? |
Robin Longbottom
Oakworth
Monday, February 5, 2018 17:48 |
Denis, I think the track you refer to is the one that runs from the back of High Jackfield Farm, not Brush. The track, a deep holloway, connected to Jackfield Lane. It gave access to the moor and commons, before the enclosure, for Bent Farm, Low and High Jackfield. There were a number of such lanes up to the moor, they were used to drive cattle, sheep etc to moorland grazing and also to bring turfs (peat) down for fuel. These lanes were not for the benefit of travellers at large and their use generally ceased after the enclosure of the moor. |
Mark Spence
Sutton
Monday, February 5, 2018 21:24 |
Does anyone have an idea as to the origin of the High and Low Jack field name? |
Terry Longbottom
Valley
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 09:52 |
jack land, scraps of rough land. |
Robin Longbottom
Oakworth
Tuesday, February 6, 2018 10:01 |
'Jack fields' are not uncommon in the North. John Field's 'English Field Names' says it means 'vacant, or unusued land', land put aside. It may be related to the dialect word 'jack' e.g. "What yer doin' on yer jack?" i.e. on your own. This may suggest that they were fields distant from the village.
The older of the two farms is High Jackfield. My forebear, Thomas Bottomley took the farm after his marriage in 1666. However, his main income was not from farming, but from dealing in cloth, describing himself as a 'clothier' in his will of 1714. The inventory to his will lists:- 4 oxen, one stott, one heifer, 20 sheep and a young horse. He also had yokes and teams for his oxen, two ploughs and one harrow. There were 2 cart bodies, but only one pair of wheels, together with a pack saddle, riding saddle and bridle. As his land was insufficient to warrant four oxen and two ploughs he is clearly in the 'hire business' - two oxen to each plough. He left ?50 - 7s - 9d. |
Terry Longbottom
Valley
Friday, February 9, 2018 10:28 |
The farm at the head of strikes lane once called 'High Royds Brow' 'Slaters Hall' it housed workers producing Grey Slate from the quarry , later its name changed to 'Strikes' same as the lane because of the sound of the hammers in the quarry. Now known as 'Ravenstones'. maybe derived from Rauenchil the owner of 2 carucates of land in sutton to be taxed in 1086. Or maybe just a stone that bird sat on.
'Dobby Hall' having connections to the development of the dobby loom.
Stubbing Hill 'stubbing out' old English for digging /clearing out
High Pool it was called in the1851 census. High Pole as it is now called. old English 'pol' meaning stream near the farm, or 'poll' meaning hill.
The old English word 'holegn' (holly) is the origin of Hollin Root.
Bent /jack is the rough grass which covered High jack, Low jack &Bent Farm, not what the current owners would like to hear,
Longhouse originally a single storey house in line with the farm buildings.
'Knowl Top' once called 'Sutton Brow' or Brow Top.
'Knoll Court' once 'Knoll Top', why the interchange'
'Hill Top' opposite Slithero Ford Road once called Shackleton House
Most of the old farms have had alternative names sometimes dependent on the knowledge of the person who transcribed the information. Some of them like Salt pie and Hollin Root have moved position, others have different access routs most of the original ones were across common land and all by shank's pony.
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Terry Longbottom
Valley
Friday, February 9, 2018 10:54 |
Sorry for Question marks, they left me as commas |
Paul Wilkinson
webmaster
Friday, February 9, 2018 11:18 |
Question marks are not your fault Terry, it's a technical issue with the site. Paul |
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