Joan Tindale
Cowling
Saturday, January 19, 2008 21:07 |
Col. Bateman, of Lyndhurst, Sutton
On Cowlingweb we have an old photo taken in Cowling Rec. 1938 - an erected covered in stage with a "lion type image" at each side, the event being a "Centenary". Might be unveiling of new swings? commemorating Queen Victoria's Centenary of Coronation? Is the person making speech a Col. Bateman? Photo on Old Photos Gallery about 30 pages in -on top left hand? Grateful for any inf. |
Denis Pickles
Norfolk
Sunday, January 20, 2008 13:37 |
I think you could be correct Joan. I remember the Colonel quite well. The tweed suit and the haircut look familiar. He used to walk past our house most days on his way to the mill. I think that the lady seated on the left, clutching the large bouquet of flowers is his wife. It was all a bit feudal in those days - you touched your cap when Col. Bateman walked by and on more than one occasion he administered his form of summary justice on yours truly using his walking stick when I'd done something wrong. Mrs Bateman was always quite generous though. Carol singing at Lyndhurst usually resulted in her handing over a florin!
Denis Pickles. |
Alan
Sunday, January 20, 2008 14:25 |
When I saw the heading on the Forum I thought that Denis may have beaten me to it. The memories stirred by the mention of Colonel Bateman are numerous. Even in civvies he cut an impressive figure, the thought of him in uniform was awe inspiring. Mrs. Bairstow always had a smile on her face and looked the lady of the Manor. The family, sons Malcolm and Dan, daughter Helen, tried to live up to the standard. Malcolm was a big, loud individual who thought that he was still in the army. His was the blustering approach. Dan was much more the gentleman, treating workpeople like humans. Helen (Ellen) was not around Sutton much in my time. She married and went to live up Park Road, Glusburn. I think all three were in the forces during the second world war. The village lost something when the Bateman family left "Lyndhurst". They employed servants, a housekeeper, a gardener and a chauffeur. Most families will have a member who was employed at the mill at some time. Times have certainly changed. |
Joan
Cowling
Wednesday, January 23, 2008 15:29 |
Thanks Denis and Alan, just put this on Cowlingweb also, must be Col. Bateman then, but do you know just what the tartan lions would stand for? Was Col. Bateman a Cllr. or JP or ? in the area? Not long ago I heard of a Mr. Bateman in Haworth - might have had a shop there? |
Alan
Wednesday, January 23, 2008 19:13 |
Joan,
Colonel Bateman was, as far as I am aware, a J.P. and a Councillor. I have no doubt it would be as " The vicar of Dibley." Certainly his son Malcolm was chairman of the Parish Council. A picture of him is in the Sutton gallery at the opening of the slide in the park. The Bateman you refer to in Haworth is Malcolm's son. He has /had a shop near to the top of the main street. Denis met him some time ago when he called in. No doubt he will update you and be able to add more to your information than I can. Sorry but I cannot say what the lions would represent. David Hoyle or some other historian from Cowling will no doubt oblige. |
Mark @ Cowlingweb
Wednesday, January 23, 2008 23:26 |
Joan ? What are you doing over here posting on a non Cowling website?
I know it is Cowling related but you better be careful or I will be putting your wage down! hahahha.
I know understand the ref to "Denis & Alan" on the Cowlingweb message board!!!
Hello Paul btw ... Really like the photo on the front page - logotrees.jpg great picture! |
Joan
Cowling
Thursday, January 24, 2008 13:59 |
Well thought I'd just spread my wings a bit as the Cowling messageboard is getting a bit stale at the moment?? (Sorry)! Dennis and Alan are also web hopping too! |
Mark @ Cowlingweb
Thursday, January 24, 2008 14:46 |
It is fine Joan. I have just demoted you to washer-upper. *wink* |
Alan.
Thursday, January 24, 2008 18:58 |
Joan,
Sounds as though you have found a living, breathing descendant of Col. Bateman. I remember Malcolm saying something similar when I asked for a pay rise of half a crown a week. |
Joan
Cowling
Friday, January 25, 2008 22:33 |
Looked through Kly. News Jan.-June 1938 today, rest of year later. No ref. found to photo as yet, but it was Snowden Cairn unveiling that year, also the planting of the Snowden Memorial Tree. Thanks for all interest, will report back if this is solved. Think Eastburn Playing Fields were opened that year too. |
Joan
Cowling
Tuesday, January 29, 2008 15:17 |
At last query is solved! The photo is of Sutton Mill- T. & M. Bairstows Centenary 1838-1938. Taken from Kly. News of 9th July 1938: As follows -
Mrs. Martha A. Freeman, who, with 56 years' service, the oldest woman servant of T. & M. Bairstow Ltd., presented Col. C. M. Bateman (Managing Director) with a silver cigarette box during yesterday's proceedings in connection with the centenary celebrations of the firm. A similar gift was also made to Col. N. B. Chaffers (Director). In the background (of similar photo) is a bronze plaque given by employees, which was unveiled by Mr. James Harrison, the firm's oldest workman, with 59 years service, and WHICH IS SHORTLY TO BE PLACED ON THE WALL OF THE MILL. Today the workpeople were given a trip to the Empire Exchange in Glasgow.
During the same week, a garden party was held at Lyndhurst, the home of Col. Bateman, for the Sutton & Eastburn Conservative Association.
So still wonder about the lion/horse type emblems - might be emblems of the Scottish wool trade if they had a trip to Empire Exchange in Glasgow???
Will ask our webmaster to send this photo to Suttonweb, its new proud owners?
Surely there will be a Bairstows Brochure giving these details? |
Kevin Bainbridge
Tuesday, January 29, 2008 18:48 |
Just been chatting to my dad on the phone & mentioned the centenary picture. He remembers the occasion well. His family had recently moved into the village from Halifax and there was great excitement amongst the kids when they saw the stage being set up beside the cricket pitch down Sutton mill thinking there was going to be some sort of concert - followed by great disappointment when they discovered the true nature of the event. Him & his brother were packed off back to Halifax for the night to stay with an uncle whilst his mum & dad went on the day trip to Glasgow. All the workers in the mill were given a centenary booklet with information & pictures of the mill but unfortunately their copy has long since gone but perhaps some still exist in the village? Anyone with access to Doris Riley's "Owd Settings" book will find a bit more information and a photo of the trip on pages 19/20. Unfortunately dad was unable to unlock the mystery of the rampant lions!
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Joan
Cowling
Tuesday, January 29, 2008 22:08 |
Thanks Kevin, v. interesting. Wonder where the plaque got to? |
Alan
Saturday, February 2, 2008 18:16 |
Joan,
Thanks for finding the date of the photograph. I'm afraid that I cannot remember seeing it at the time of publication. I was only one month old.
I doubt that there will be a brochure on the Bairstow's mill. If Doris Riley doesn't have any info then I doubt that anyone else in Sutton will have. The village owes her a lot. She has dedicated an awful lot of time and effort into collecting and collating the History of the village. Many of us can remember but have not taken the trouble to record it for others. Thank heavens that this website came into existence and that others have taken time to put there thoughts and memories into print. |
Barbara Chapman
Sutton-in-Craven
Tuesday, February 5, 2008 11:06 |
Hello Folks, Just caught up with the website and I think I can add something to it.Been out of touch a while after my Dad died and sorting out family stuff and memorabilia. Found a photo of my Aunt and Uncle (Nora Monkhouse and Edward Dickinson) amongst other people at the Glasgow Exhibition and we also have the Booklet I think you are looking for. I have scanned them and will let our Webmaster have them. Allen tells me that the Yorkshire Film Archive at Ripon has a film of Bairstow's trip to the Empire Exhibition in Glasgow and he saw it once at St. Thomas' Hall. The film starts in the cricket field with presentations to the Bateman family. Haven't yet looked at the Cowling photo so not sure what the Lions are about, will have a look later. Barbara and Allen. |
Barbara Chapman
Sutton-in-Craven
Tuesday, February 5, 2008 12:16 |
Hello Folks, me again. I have just had a look at the Cowling photo and Allen assures me that it is not Cowling Rec. but Sutton Cricket field. The Tartan Lions are therefore representing the Glasgow Exhibition.
We have another booklet produced by Bairstow's for the 82nd year since the foundation of the firm in 1838. This brochure has photos of the Founders and also information and photos of all the factory proceedures throughout the mill including the Engine House. It also includes photos of the inside of the Institute and the Hostel and the office. There are 30 pages so would take a bit of scanning. If anyone is interested in seeing it contact us through Paul Wilkinson. Barbara. |
Joan
Cowling
Tuesday, February 5, 2008 20:34 |
Thanks very much for all your efforts, we have been puzzled with that photo for ages. It was sent in by Elaine Gott (nee Bracewell), now of Cross Hills. Will ask Mark (Cowlingweb) to send it down the hill to you! |
Mark @ Cowlingweb
Tuesday, February 5, 2008 22:21 |
Will send Paul a copy of the photo as soon as I submit this post. |
paulw
webmaster
Friday, February 8, 2008 08:57 |
Photo safely received and set up in the gallery, many thanks. |
Joan
Cowling
Wednesday, February 27, 2008 21:39 |
Very interesting to see the T. & M. Bairstow Centenary Booklet 1838-1938 thanks for interest. |
paulw
webmaster
Thursday, February 28, 2008 13:50 |
Hi Joan. Barbara Chapman has sent me some more scans relating to the trip to the Empire Exhibition, including a commemorative brooch made up of a sprig of white heather and a badge containing the rampant lion crest. I've added them to the gallery page.
Paul |
Joan
Cowling
Monday, March 3, 2008 16:03 |
That's fantastic, thanks v. much, so at last the "lion" emblem query is solved. |
Joan
Cowling
Saturday, March 15, 2008 21:53 |
Sorry me again - a v. good photo of crowd watching Bairstows Centenary in Kly. News this week - sent in by a lady from Eastburn - do hope Suttonweb will be allowed to scan it for site! |
