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Philippa Bateman Saturday, August 6, 2005 20:10	Bairstow Mill Following the death of our Grandmother, my cousin and I pledged to find out more about our family history. This started on Friday (5 August) at Royd Hill (where our fathers grew up - James and Matthew Bateman), took us to the old Bairstow Mill, the park and Lyndhurst (our Great-Grandparents' house). Any information that anybody has, either personal memories or generic Sutton/Bateman/Bairstow memories would be great. Many thanks
Denis Pickles Norfolk Saturday, March 11, 2006 20:57	Bateman. Lyndhurst Bent Lane Sutton-in-Craven As a boy I lived in Bent Lane. I remember Col Bateman who lived at Lyndhurst very well. He used to walk to work down Bent Lane carrying his walking stick. Lyndhurst was the 'Big House' - a long drive to the front door which my friends and I negotiated with trepidation when we went carol singing at Christmas time. We invariably came away with a florin and then did the same further up the lane at Col Chaffers house - again a florin! Col Bateman used to have a regular constitutional walk with a black Labrador dog and his walking stick, up to Bent Farm, down to Glusburn bridge and back home along the footpath which runs adjacent to Horsfalls Wood where we village lads used to play [trespass] making swings. Col Bateman caught me one day and imposed summary justice with his walking stick. Today he would have been prosecuted for assault, but I learned mylesson and kept out of the wood ...... for a day or two. I remember at the beginning of the war, attending a garden party at Lyndhurst. I think the event was organised to raise funds for the war effort. I have a vivid recollection of a young girl singing, 'Don't sit under the apple tree with any one else but me'. The stage was set on the south lawn in front of the big house. Alf Mitchell, Col Bateman's chauffeur taught me to drive. The cook lived in the house next door to me - I can't recall her name.
Philippa Bateman Monday, March 13, 2006 11:36	Thanks for your sharing your memories Denis - there's a family connection with both the Chaffers and the Horsfalls, but I'm not sure how far back the connection is. I also have connections with the Horsfalls through my mother's side of the family; Nita (nee) Horsfall's my Godmother and my parents met at her coming out party at Beanlands.
Denis Pickles Norfolk Monday, March 13, 2006 15:30	I would have thought that of any Sutton/Glusburn families the family trees of the three families you mention, should be relatively easy to trace. The history of both villages revolves greatly round their fortunes. The last time I spoke with a Bateman it was in a camera shop in Haworth Main Street some three years ago. The christian name I do not remember but I think that he'd lived at Royd Hill. Your father perhaps? Other names I can drag from my memory are Dan Bateman and Penelope Chaffers. Perhaps 40 years ago I bumped into one of Col Bateman's sons in a swimming pool in Windermere. He no longer had an interest in the mill and I think he had an hotel in Torver. Perhaps that was your father and maybe you were one of the children he had with him?
Alan Pickles Monday, April 3, 2006 17:56	I am able to add a little information to that supplied by Denis. I was for a short while employed at the mill after returning from National Service. Mr. Malcolm was the main authority and when he came around everyone jumped. He was a man of big stature and presence, He didn't talk, he boomed. I had the misfortune to ask for a rise in pay and was granted 2shillings and sixpence per week for my cheek. He was the chairman of the parish council and I have a photograph taken in the park when the slide was presented to the village by Mr. Walter Thompson. Mr. Malcolm Bateman and I are to the fore, Let me know if you want a copy. His brother Dan was much more of a gentleman and he is the one who went to live in the Lake district. Helen (ellen) lived in a house in Park Road, opposite the gates to Glusburn park. She was the sisterof Malcolm and Dan.
Peter Turnbull Monday, April 10, 2006 14:22	I met Philippa Bateman and her cousin in Sutton last August, and have since provided them with a photostat copy of a conveyance of "Lyndhurst" bearing the signature of their great grandfather. I live in a house built in the grounds of "Lyndhurst" and that connection, coupled with one of my hobbies being genealogy (my own family tree includes over 2,500 people), has more recently led me to also research the Bairstow and connected families. I have traced the local branch of the Bairstow family back to circa 1770 when they lived in the Halifax area. Although their branch first came to live in South Craven around 1795 they seem to have maintained their Halifax connections, because when Matthew Bairstow (co-founder of T & M Bairstow's mill) married in 1841 it was to Susannah Hooson of Northowram whom he married in Halifax Parish Church before bringing her to live at Eastburn. I have likewise traced the Sutton branch of the Bateman family back to about 1790 when they lived in the Low Moor and Cleckheaton area. The marriage connection goes back to 1872 when William Fredrich Bateman married Ann Elizabeth (eldest daughter of Matthew Bairstow). Williams father (Philippa Bateman's great-great-great grandfather) was an earlier Daniel Bateman and was in business as a punched card manufacturer. I assume that these punched cards were those that automatically controlled the weaving patterns of Jacquard looms. The use of these in cloth weaving had been invented early in the 19th century by the Frenchman Joseph Jacquard and were initially used in silk weaving in France, but later spread into the woollen industry in this country. It may well have been Matthew's interest in advancing this technology that first brought the two families into social contact, but W.F. Bateman did not later follow in his father's footsteps but instead moved into another niche business of quality control in the production of spring steels (in which by 1881 he employed 28 people) and lived with his wife in North Bierley for the rest of his life. Sadly however he died whilst still in his thirties and his widow then went to live on her private income at Kents Bank near Grange-Over-Sands where their 3rd son Charles Malcolm Bateman was born in the summer of 1884. It is possibly because of the geographical proximity that he was later educated at the Royal Grammar School in Lancaster. Likewise, I have traced the Chaffers family back to Burnley circa 1800, and Edward Chaffers born there was listed in the 1861 Census as a 19 year old resident articled pupil to a Preston Surgeon. By the 1871 Census he was living with his mother in North Street, Keighley and working as a General Practitioner. In the summer of 1884 he married Matthew Bairstow's 35 year old 2nd daughter Mary Maria, and four years later they had a son Norman Bairstow Chaffers followed a year later by twin boys. By the 1891 Census they were living at 54 North Street, Keighley and had three live-in servants. Their sons were educated as boarders at Aysgarth School, Newton-le-Willows (near Bedale and Catterick army garrison). Thus when Charles Malcolm Bateman and Norman Bairstow Chaffers were later living with their families in Bent Lane at Lyndhurst and The Grange respectively, they were brothers-in-law, and both of them nephews of James Bairstow the second-generation head of T & M Bairstow Ltd. The first non-Bairstow however to become a junior partner of the firm was John Bairstow Spencer who became a partner in 1868 and whose father, George Spencer, had in 1830 married Sarah Bairstow (an elder sister, born in 1804, of Thomas & Matthew). By the time of the 1891 Census he was widowed and living at Royd Hill (the former home of Thomas Bairstow) with his daughter and elder son Thomas Spencer. By the time of the 1901 Census however he had died and his son Thomas (then described as Worsted Manufacturer's Manager & Salesman) was living there with his new wife and one year old son. On the 13th October 1903 however Thomas bought a large plot of land in Bent Lane from John Cousin Horsfall, and had a new residence "Lyndhurst" built for himself. He lived there for over 15 years but it seems that sometime during this time he went into business on his own account in Bradford as a Worsted Stuff Manufacturer and for a while travelled into Bradford on the train every day. On 20th December 1920 however, after the end of the 1st World War, he sold "Lyndhurst" to Charles Malcolm Bateman for the sum of six thousand pounds and went to live at 2, Ashburnham Grove, Heaton, Bradford. Some 35 years ago I met a retired Sutton lady (whose name I can no longer recall) and she told me that she was on the domestic staff at "Lyndhurst" during the latter years of Thomas Spencer's time there. She recounted how he went to Bradford every day on the train from Crosshills station and would breakfast with his family in a big room on the east side of the house next to the front door. She said that he was a meticulous timekeeper and would keep consulting his watch which he carried on a chain in his waistcoat pocket and that exactly at the appointed time he would leave by pony and trap for the station. She added that on the rare occasions that something slightly delayed him, it was said that the stationmaster at Crosshills dare not allow the train to leave until he was actually on it! My research is still ongoing but so far I have not come across any marriage connection between the above families and the descendants of J. C. Horsfall although the latter was renowned for purchasing more and more property rather than selling any, so that his agreement to sell a few acres in Bent Lane in 1903 to Thomas Spencer might indicate some blood connection. Any marriage connection however can only be in the final few years of the 19th century or during the 1900's so if anyone can point me in the right direction please do so! The foregoing few details are only the tip of the iceberg in relation to others I now already have collected (with hopefully more to follow), and if Philippa Bateman is interested in them I will be pleased to assist should she get in touch with me again.
Sutton Cricket Club Friday, May 26, 2006 22:20	The cricket club have a large tankard style trophey which is awarded annually called 'The Bateman Trophey' . We believe it was donated to the club in the late 60's. It is currently being held in the trophey cabinet at the Kings Arms.
David laycock Wednesday, July 26, 2006 13:14	Hi I am David Laycock we lived at 10 Crag View and I have the "honour" of being knocked down by Col Bateman's car driven by Alf Michell on the corner of where Alec Crossley lived. I rmember it broke my jaw and I had to only eat Ice cream for some time!!!!!!!!! My dad Donald was the boss wool sorter and on the council with Mr.Dan.
Alan Pickles. Friday, July 28, 2006 19:42	Careful David, There are still one or two about who witnessed you trying to push the car across Bent Lane with your chin. Nice to hear that you are now fully recovered. Hope you were not wanting compensation.
Annie Chambers Wednesday, June 6, 2007 20:22	I'm trying to find out a little more about Col. N.B. Chaffers, particularly in regards to his flyfishing. Does anyone know details? I know he was in the Aire Fishing Club in 1939 as I have his fly wallet from that date which contains a copy of the Club Rules. It is in very good condition and appears only slightly used, I'm assuming that he might have died soon after then?
Josie Walsh Wednesday, June 6, 2007 22:26	Hello Annie Checked the St Catherines indexes and found a death entry for Norman B Chaffers registered at Keighley 1940 March qtr aged 51yrs Hope this helps with your research Regards Josie
kevin grant Sunday, April 6, 2008 02:19	Following on from Peter Turnbull's information regarding the Spencer connection to Lyndhurst, he may be interested know about my grandfather George Spencer the brother of Thomas. George travelled to Australia in the early 1900's to buy wool for the mill. On his jouney he met a woman in Sydney who he fell in love with. Although they returned to England for a visit, George remained in Sydney for the rest of his life. Here he raised one son and three daughters one of whom was my mother, Mary Spencer. The last of his children (Nell) died only last year. In the correspondence from Thomas to George there is reference to the building of Thomas's house and particular mention of the expense being much greater than he had anticipated. So when his brother Thomas and Thomas's son both died, the connection of this branch of the family to the mills ended.
colin bairstow Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:41	i am trying to trace my family tree james bairstow born1804 halifax,son william,son jonathon,daughter sarah ann, and john,they moved to wakefield area, then from jonathon born 1832,wife sarah, there children were ambrozina,anna,christiana,john,sara ann,walter,william henry my grandad,my grandad was born in halifax in 1831,in the 1881 census living in west ardley near wakefield ,i have other date but would love to see some photos,my father was edwin bairstow many thanks colin
Anne Darwin Das Wirral Wednesday, February 9, 2011 11:33	My gggrandfather,Thomas Thompson Raistrick,was born in Idle,Shipley,in 1818.He died in Burnley in 1889.His first wife,Grace Brigg,born in Cowling in1819,died in Skipton in 1862.THey were married in 1838.His second wife,Jane Edmondson,was born in Norton Grange,married in Skipton in 1862.She died in Bradford in 1903.His son Samuel Brigg Raistrick,born in 1846 in Sutton mills,Sutton in Craven was my ggrandfather.His father worked at those mills owned by T& M. Bairstow.Coincidently,in answer to my Raistrick family search in 2008,I was contacted by C.L.Clarkson,through The Dalesman,whose grandmother was a Bairstow,where my relative worked.Also he lives in the same house in LInton where Arthur Raistrick,1896-1993(Dalesman of THe Millenium)lived.I have been trying for years to see if there is a possible connection with him and my Raistrick family.My aunt who is 97 and daughter of a Raistrick,told me of her Raistrick relatives in BAildon.SAmuel married Mary Margaret Barlow ,born in Westmoreland in 1843.They were married in Haslingden,Lancs in 1867.They both died in Pontefract between 1907 and 1912. My paternal grandmother was a twin named Bertha Raistrick.She was born in Carnforth in 1884.My Raistrick family were millwrights and railway engineers.She married Arthur Sutton in pontefract ,in 1909.My father was born there in 1910.He married my mother,Mirabel Darwin,in Austerfield near Doncaster, in 1941 .I was born there in 1942.I have collected a lot of Raistrick family history from Skipton,Bradford areas.If any one has any further information about this family ,I would be grateful if you could pass it on to me please.Also if I could help anyone with their family search,I would.if I could.
Josie Walsh Wednesday, February 9, 2011 23:14	Hello Anne Have you got all the birth & baptism details for the Raistick family for Kildwick Church, also on checking Sutton Baptist burials the family is also listed as being buried there, but I cannot find a mention of a gravestone in the graveyard. If you want to get in touch my email is josie@cravenindexes.co.uk Josie
Anne Darwin Das Wirral Tuesday, March 8, 2011 18:11	Thanks Josie,I'll try to follow up your advice.
Joanna Dunn nee Bateman Hayfield, Derbyshire Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:43	I am one of Dan Bateman's daughters, and have recently started exploring our family history. I have got a copy of the Bateman family tree (actually titled the "Outline Pedigree of the West Riding of Yorks. Family of Bateman"!) back to a John Bateman born before 1518. My mum has the original, so I've asked her to get several copies made so we can forward them to anyone interested. So if Philippa or anyone wants a copy please get in touch - jodunn99@gmail.com. I'll be adding to it to an ancestory website, and am happy to share this. Joanna
Arthur Graham Fletcher Scunthorpe Monday, November 7, 2011 10:58	Hello, i would like to contact Anne Darwin Das regarding the history of her fathers side of the family tree. l believe i have some very important information that would be of great help to you/her. I can be contacted by email at grahamaf@hotmail.co.uk Josie Walsh, i noticed you have in an earlier message given your email address for Anne to contact you, did Anne contact you ? if so would it be possible for you to contact her again passing on my message and email address, or anyone else who may have contact with Anne please pass on my email adress. Many Thanks. Arthur.
Josie Walsh Monday, November 7, 2011 15:35	This is an update regarding my new email address Major crash problems with my old computer, and have lost most of my email details, including the addresses, so if you could update your details I would be very grateful, also is it possible to publish my new email address for the general public, so they can contact me if need be, message for Arthur, I can't remember if Anne did contact me, sorry. Josie
Anne Darwin Das Wirral Monday, November 7, 2011 17:08	I am replying to an email I got today from Arthur Graham Fletcher of Scunthorpe . regarding information he may have about my father Arthur Gascoigne Sutton's family history.His mother was Bertha Raistrick and his father was Arthur Sutton If he or any one else has any information ,I'd love to hear.Thanks for getting in touch. Anne Darwin Das(nee Sutton) Wirral.
Anthony Welch Cullingworth Wednesday, February 22, 2012 17:46	I have been researching my family history for some years and know that my grandfather, Ernest Jones, was born in Low Moor, Bradford and came to Sutton as a boy. He married my grandmother, Alice Grace Brookbanks in 1915, but died of influenza in 1918 whilst serving in Royal Durham Infantry at Catterick Camp. My mother, Nora, was then not two years old. I have relatives still living in Sutton and have helped me with photographs of my great granfather and great grandmother. William Jones, my great grandfather helped build one of the mills in Sutton, possibly Bairstow's, and then became the boilerman. Information gathered from my grandmother's effects shows that for a short time she lived at 1 Mill Lane, and then at the time of Ernest's death whe had moved not too many yards away to 1 Main Street. Shortly after she moved to Oakworth, I believe to the home of her mother-in-laws family.
Paul Wilkinson webmaster Wednesday, February 22, 2012 18:23	Hi Anthony - have you seen the excellent profile of your grandfather, compiled by Andrew Monkhouse, on the Fallen of Sutton-in-Craven page?
Anthony Welch Cullingworth Friday, February 24, 2012 12:28	I have read with great interest the profile of my grandfather Ernest Jones and the service and medical records are new to me. I did not know that the Death Plaque that would have been presented to my grandma was still in existence. Can anyone tell me the whereabouts of Andrew Monkhouse, who would appear to have the plaque in his possession.
Andrew Monkhouse Hanoi, Vietnam Friday, February 24, 2012 13:09	Hi Anthony, I�m glad you found the profile on your grandfather interesting. I certainly enjoyed putting it together. With regards to the Death Plaque, the Commonwealth War Graves Commission list at least 57 WW1 casualties with the identical name Ernest Jones, plus many more casualties listed simply as E. Jones. So with no other distinguishing marks it is difficult (if not impossible) to attribute a Death Plaque with a common name to an individual casualty. I bought the Death Plaque on eBay a couple of years ago, but statistically I think the chances of it being the same plaque as that issued to your grandmother is very remote. You may be interested to know that Great War memorial Scrolls were also sent out (separately to the Death Plaques) to the next of kin. The Scrolls were sent out in a cardboard tube 205mm long x 50mm in diameter and were inscribed with the serviceman�s name, and unit served. Perhaps this Scroll issued to your grandfather (and indeed the Death Plaque) still exist with a family member? The Plaques and Scrolls played an important part for many families in the grieving process. Often mini-shrines were set up in households and the Plaques proudly polished on a regular basis.
Anthony Welch Cullingworth Friday, February 24, 2012 16:25	Andrew, thank you very much for your information. Unfortunately our family is very small, with no close relatives on the Jones side. There is little hope of finding the plaque or scroll. Thanks your help anyway.
Andrew Monkhouse Hanoi, Vietnam Saturday, February 25, 2012 07:48	Hi Anthony, I�m happy to update the profile on your grandfather if you have any additional photos or information you think would enhance the biography on Pte Jones under the �Fallen of Sutton-in-Craven� tab of this website. You can always get my email address from the webmaster. I would suggest that however small your family is on the Jones side, there is always the chance that his Memorial Scroll and Death Plaque have survived over the years and are tucked away in the bottom drawer with a family member somewhere. Now that you know that a Scroll & Plaque bearing the name of Pte Ernest Jones were issued to your grandmother in the 1920s it�s certainly worth asking around!

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