Village Web Site Forum

Kris Stevens
Wednesday, December 13, 2006 12:44
Karaoke @ The Black Bull
Hi, I'm the host of the new Sunday Karaoke night at The Black Bull, and I would be interested to hear what the locals think of it.. It only started last week (10th December) so I'm sure a lot of people don't know about it yet... So why not come along...

I look forward to reading your comments


Kris Stevens
Friday, July 6, 2007 14:38
it woz brill kris haha u still workin it blackpool then?write bak n wats ur addy?
Sunday, July 8, 2007 19:03
Is this Karaoke a new language? I'll bet that Joe harry and Jean are trying to fathom it. Sutton and the patrons of the Bull have changed if this is the accepted form of communication. Good luck to all those participating.
Andrew Monkhouse
Monday, July 9, 2007 12:42
T’was yesteryear when men were men and pubs were pubs
Proper drinking oles with booze and snuff, not like today’s clubs
No women allowed in the tap-room because
There was no political correctness, so that’s how is was
Thick smoke filled the beery air
From old men’s pipes sat in their usual chair
Rabbits were skinned for entertainment back then
As the mild flowed smoothly - nine pints, maybe ten
Domino entertainment was the bees ‘n’ eees
Not ya ordinary doms, but 5s and 3s
Darts as well was a real man’s game
The more tipple ya drunk, the more accurate ya became
But alas the years roll on, as of course they must
And new things are installed to earn one a crust
Like Space Invaders, Karaoke and the like
For anyone brave enough to holler down the mike
And with it, a whole new vocabulary by the youth of today
Yes Alan, what would Joe Harry and Jean have to say ?
Monday, July 9, 2007 18:08
You are a genius.
Carole Lee
Chagford, Devon
Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:45
Wow! I didn't realise that my brother is a poet! Good one, Andrew.


PS Must admit that it's hard to imagine karaoke at the Bull. Was also intrigued at the notice about "illegal raves." I don't even know what a rave is. Whatever they are, we don't have them here in Saudi.
Tuesday, July 10, 2007 16:38
Barbara Chapman just sent me a photo taken by Allen in the Bull in the 1950s. It shows Fred Feather pulling a pint of "Ramsden's" and in the background is Joe Harry Haigh and Tommy McVay.

Click here to see photo.

Thanks Barbara


Andrew Monkhouse
Wednesday, July 11, 2007 05:06
Interesting pic, must confess I've never heard of Ramsden's ! I think The Bull was a Tetley's House when I used to saddle in as an 18 year old (1978). The Kings Arms sold Whitbread's (lovely drop of turps) and I forget what medicine the Bay Hoss and the Dog & Gun (Sutton's 4th pub) used to serve.
Diana Bedford
Godolphin Cross, Cornwall
Wednesday, July 11, 2007 09:32
many thanks to Barbara via Paul for the photographe in the Bull, I recognised Joe Harry in the background. Does anyone know how long he stayed at the pub and what happened to him and Jean thereafter.
Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:01
Continuing the thread, Andrew Monkhouse sent another photo with the following message...

Hi Paul

While we're on a roll with Sutton pubs I thought I'd send this picture taken New Years Eve either 1979 or 1980 with some of my contemporaries.

Left to right : 'Yorkshire television' Mick, Leonard Myers (Landlord pulling a pint of Whitbread's Trophy Bitter), Andrew Jenkins, Raymond Fielding & Gary Leach.

You can see the Xmas decorations around the back of the bar. Leonard Myser's dad used to be the Sutton 'Bobby' and I think ran the Kings Arms before Leonard took over.

All the best, Andrew

Click here to see the Kings Arms photo.
Andrew Monkhouse
Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:47
Hi Diana, with regards to Joe Harry Haigh and his wife Jean I can tell you that Jean passed away first around 1979 or thereabouts. The funeral service was at the St Thomas Church in Sutton and it was standing room only with half of Sutton turning out to pay their respects.

Joe Harry continued running the Bull, but with more and more help from his son Tom and his wife. Then 2 or 3 years after Jean died, Joe Harry also passed away and the Bull was taken over full time by Tom Haigh and his wife.

Wednesday, July 11, 2007 17:52
Surprising what comes out of an innocent comment about an aspect of the village as it used to be. For Andrew's information, Ramsdens was a small Yorkshire brewery which was bought out by Tetley in the 1950's.
Keep churning them out, it reallymakes my day. Who said " Get a life?" I don't care I enjoy the banter.
Diana Bedford
Godolphin Cross, Cornwall
Wednesday, July 11, 2007 21:03
Many thanks Andrew for the information. I suddenly thought that although I knew Joe Harry well, I did not realise that he surname was Haigh. is his son and daughter in law still have the pub? Come to think of it they will be long in the tooth now. Also I thought there were only two pubs in the village, have the others come into being since the 60's. It was the Kings arms next to the Bull was it not?
Wednesday, July 11, 2007 21:49
Hi Diana

All four pubs have been in existence a long time. You are right, the Kings Arms is very close to the Black Bull. The other two are the Bay Horse, past the far end of the High Street at the bottom of the Ellers; and the Dog and Gun - which many seem to think is in Glusburn as it's on the main road between Glusburn and Cowling, but is actually in Sutton (as is Malsis School).
Andrew Monkhouse
Thursday, July 12, 2007 20:17
In actual fact I reckon Sutton used to have a 5th pub. I remember when the book “Sutton-in-Craven – The Old Community” was written and edited by Alec Wood who was one of my South Craven history tutors.

After its publication in 1973 there was a tribal meeting of the elders in the tap-room of the Bull to ponder the contents and accuracy of the book. The book gained a big thumbs up from the elders except for one major and quite shocking omission, namely the mention of a fifth pub in Sutton long since forgotten to living memory. I think it may have been called the Gardeners Arms.

It was positioned somewhere along North Rd at the back of the Kings Arms and I think may have been at the end of a terraced row of houses. It’s since either been demolished or converted back to a domestic dwelling. Is anyone able to verify this fact, or is this just another vivid dream I’ve had !
Josie Walsh
Thursday, July 12, 2007 21:10
In Doris Rileys book Owd Settings Sutton in Craven page 34 are details of the Gardeners Arms, it includes a photo and was demolished May 1973, not too sure whats there now.
Friday, July 13, 2007 12:29
A couple of years ago Barabara Chapman posted a message with some details of the Gardeners Arms in a topic titled "Low Fold, Sutton in Keighley--1881".

I've just added a message to the thread so it should bubble up to the top of the list. One of my earlier replies has a link to an 1850 map of Sutton, which shows the Kings Arms in a different location.

Denis Pickles
Saturday, July 14, 2007 10:23
I'd noticed to sudden surge in contributions to the Karaoke topic but thought that it wouldn't be of interest to me - I have difficulty in translating the language now in vogue with today's generation. Wrong! The comments about the village pubs, particularly the Black Bull stirred a few memories. Not that I frequented the place all that often when I was a youth, but my dad used it a lot. It was the headquarters of the Sutton-in-Craven Homing Society - pigeon racing for the uninitiated - and my dad was a keen racer of pigeons. Friday evening he would select the birds for the next days race and take them down to the Bull for ringing and the necessary paperwork - Oh, and the timing clocks would be set. The huge wicker pigeon basket containing all the clubs pigeons would then be transported to Kildwick Station and sent to the starting venue, Carlisle, Aberdeen, wherever. What an organisation that entailed. Anyway, the next day was race day. The pigeons were 'clocked in' and that meant another trip to the Bull in the evening to determine the winner and to share the spoils. Does the Homing Society still exist? It used to meet in the 'back oil' - a room facing onto the Old Dyke.

There was a time not so long ago when all village residents knew one another [well, almost]. Several years after my dad died, maybe about 1974, I called in the Bull one lunch time to have a jar. The place had been altered internally and the bar had been moved and lengthened somewhat. The place was almost empty but standing at the far end of the bar was a local, supping his pint- flat cap pushed back on his head. He looked at me and said, 'Ah sud knaw thee'.
'Should you?' I responded.
He had a few swigs and said, 'I 'eve it! Pickles!'
A few more drinks and then, 'Walter were thi father'.
'No, My dad was Charlie. Walter was his brother.'
'Um' Then silence until minutes later, he drained his glass, plonked it on the bar and strode out. As he passed me, he clapped his hand on my shoulder and said, 'Wil were thi grandfather! And he died in 1939!

Truly remarkable! With fewer than twenty words he'd worked out my pedigree. Obviously someone who'd lived in the village all his life, and someone who didn't waste words. Not someone accustomed to 'blethering'. He knew me but I haven't a clue who he was.

The Kings Arms used to sell Bentley's beer. The windows carried the motiff BYB. Bentley's Yorkshire Breweries. There was a tale about Carey Overend [lots of tales about Carey Overend!] who lived in the cottage opposite to the Kings Arms - the one next to the mill gates. Carey was known to the local lads as Carey Bullocks. Don't ask me why - he was given that nickname long before my time. Anyway it transpires that he once enquired of some local wag what the initials BYB stood for. 'Bullocks yer B****r.'
Saturday, July 14, 2007 19:25
Who would have thought that so many memories, so much information and so much new knowledge could have been revealed about Sutton and it's former residents by an innocent comment from one individual. My pedigree has just been revealed, Carole has found her brother's hidden talent, Andrew now knows that there are brewers other than Tetleys and we all now know that the Bull has a Karaoke machine. Keep the info coming.
chris Barsby
Thursday, July 19, 2007 20:42
Hi Denis , and Alan.
Must admit I was more of a Kings Arms man myself, but raking through some old photos I came accross a photo of the start of a "Black Bull" day out which must have been in the early 60's. Big events in those days )so my dad says, at one time they used to have the day in Blackpool or Morecambe leaving by train from Kildwick Station.
You say there was a time, not so long ago when all residents knew each other, well I think they all knew you as "so and so's son or gransdson" rather then by name. Anyway if the webmaster posts the photo see how many people you can name.
I can only remember the actual names of about four people but the faces of many. This includes also Joe Harry and Jean Haigh, my dad Jack Barsby, John Dixon and a guy called Barry whose surname was either Lee or Pearce ( was always at XHills youth cub football)

Also note the trips were "men only" at that time
Friday, July 20, 2007 14:42
Hi Chris

I've added the photo to the gallery. Barrie Pearce is still involved with Cross Hills Football Club and writes a regular Chairman's Column in the Village Newsletter.

Friday, July 20, 2007 18:46
Barrie Pearce and John Dixon I am unable to identify from this picture. Those I can name are Alec Willets (2nd row 5 from the right) Michael Peat ( far left on the back about 3 in ) David Baxter next to him on the left looking sheepish and peeping round the corner. The chap next to your dad is Willie? Riley, ( known as Ready Money Riley for his dealing ability) The gent behind the one with the open necked shirt on the left is ? Hardaker, father of Philip and Colin. On the front row is Eric Seward of Sutton Cricket team fame. Used to be a good bowler if i'm not mistaken. Another face which is hardly noticeable is one which I know from my days in blue uniform. I cannot put a name to it. Others are familiar for the correct reasons but also not brought back to mind.
Can I suggest that someone makes a copy and posts it on the notice board in the Park cafe. I'll bet they are all named within a few days.
Sunday, July 22, 2007 20:31
Hi Alan

I've done an A4 sized printout and asked Dawn to display it in the Park Pavilion Tea Room and see how many names can be provided.

Andrew Monkhouse
Monday, July 23, 2007 13:36
I reckon that's Len Monkhouse stood 2nd from the right and Wild Davies stood 4th from the right with his left hand in his pocket
Monday, July 23, 2007 13:52
Hi Andrew

I've just sent you an email but not sure if you can access your antipodean inbox from Haworth. If not, I'm sure you'll get the drift if you look at the gallery page.

Hope you're enjoying your travels, will you be taking in Sutton?

Andrew Monkhouse
Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:31
Hi Paul

Yes, I am unable to open my Oz email in-box from the UK. I'm assuming you have written informing that the 1950 Craven Guide images have been added to the gallery - thank you for that, they look excellent.

I am indeed taking in Sutton, on a daily basis in fact. Because of the 8.5 hour time difference (jet-lag) I am tending to drive over to Sutton between 3.45 and 4.15 a.m. just as it is getting light. Great time to wander the streets, breath in the Sutton air and quietly reminisce with no traffic or people around - not that I'm anti-social you understand !

Probably fly back this weekend, am wait-listed on a flight a week early so may be air-lifted out of Yeadon this Sunday evening.

Monday, July 30, 2007 20:45
Alan - you were right! Visitors to the Park Pavilion have provided a list of names for everyone except the chap in the white coat (who was a driver from Cowling apparently). I've added the names to the gallery page but I need to sort out a better key for mapping the names to the faces. Some of the names don't quite tie up but I'm sure any errors will soon be pointed out.

Chris Barsby
Monday, July 30, 2007 21:44
Hi Paul (have just sent one mail but the computer through a hissy fit and not sure if it went through so sent comment again)
Wow, I will stand corrected on a couple of the names, but the guy on the left at the front is definitely my dad, Jack Barsby, not Sam Barsby as your list implies. Maybe people didn't recognise him when he wasn't covered in Soot.
I still think the tall blonde guy stood next to Barry Grosvenor is John Dixon, maybe someone can verify, even though his face is half covered
Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:43
Hi Chris - your email didn't come through. I did wonder about Sam vs Jack, I was sure you would have got your dad's name right! I'll see what other corrections come in then do a definitive list.
david in Oz
Wednesday, August 1, 2007 12:38
Hi Chris,
Can't mistake your Dad. Next to Barry Grosvenor is John Wilson.

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