Village Web Site Forum

Paul Wilkinson
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 14:48

I've received the following update from the Clerk to the Parish Council


With regard to the Parish Council Meeting held on the 4th July and the Parish Meeting held on the 6th July 2011.

The Parish Council are now in a position to issue pledge forms to see if enough funds can be raised to place an offer to acquire 9.85 acres of woodland part of Lumb Clough (Sutton Clough) for the village.

The sale price is offers over £20,000.

If you would like to make a pledge please complete our simple form (see below). (Please do not send any money now - if enough money is raised we will contact you to honour your pledge).

If anyone wishes to pledge money who does not reside in Sutton-in-Craven this also would be very welcome.

All pledges will be treated as confidential.

Forms can be downloaded from the Parish Council website, the Village website, and paper copies can be obtained from the Park Pavilion between 12 and 4 pm, Londis Shop and the Post Office.

The deadline for pledges is 10th August 2011.

The Sale of 3.99 ha (9.85 acres) of traditional deciduous woodland known as Lumb Clough - The Facts

  • Six and half acres, part of Sutton Hall Estate and adjoining Sutton Clough was conveyed to the Parish Council in 1934 to be managed on behalf of the village.

  • The woodland area for sale adjoins this area.

  • The Guide Price is Offers over £20,000.

  • There are the remains of an old kiln which is a Scheduled Monument within the parcel.

  • Access is reserved through Bankfoot Farm and also past Wood Vale Farm from Ellers Road.

  • A Public Right of Way runs through the whole area.

  • North Yorkshire County Council Public Rights of Way section has confirmed the following: Should the Parish Council acquire the land on behalf of the village the Parish Council would have the same responsibilities as any other landowner. In that the landowner is responsible for the maintenance of any furniture on the route i.e. stiles and gates, the adjoining boundaries to the public right of way i.e. fences, wall and overgrowth i.e. overhanging branches.
    The Public Right of Way was recorded on the definitive map as part of the Parish Survey conducted in the 1950's under the legislation of the Wildlife and Countryside Act. It would be the responsibility of the Highway Authority (NYCC) to maintain the Public Right of Way to a standard that matches its legal status i.e. footpath maintained to a standard to be used by the public on foot.

  • The whole of Lumb Clough is covered by a Tree Preservation Order.

  • There would be no increase in Insurance premiums because of the purchase.

  • Maintenance costs will be covered by the precept.

  • With regards to access, residents would be advised to stick to footpaths. Should they wish to deviate from the designated footpaths they do so at their own risk.

Paul Wilkinson
Wednesday, July 13, 2011 14:51

Download the PDF version of the Pledge Form

Download the Word version of the Pledge Form

Note - pledge forms must be returned to the Parish Council.
Denis Marshall Pickles
Friday, July 15, 2011 12:53
'Deadline for pledges is 10th August 2011' ........26 days!

That doesn't give a a lot of time to collect pledges to the value of £20.000 does it? I hate to be a pessimist but I think the exercise will fall far short of the required amount. Hope I'm proved wrong.
Friday, July 15, 2011 14:05
Following consultation with the Estate Agent. The Parish Council are aware another offer has been put in for the land and needs to act. An amount of time is also required to collect in the pledge money.
Andrew Monkhouse
Hanoi, Vietnam
Friday, July 15, 2011 14:37
I agree Denis, realistically it’s not going to happen. (I’ve already emailed my pledge form to Clerk for 50 pounds before anyone shoots me down!)

This isn’t the first time villagers of Sutton have been asked to put their hands in their pockets. After WW1 there was a door to door appeal for donations to build a war memorial in remembrance of the 40 men from Sutton who lost their lives. Only half the needed funds were raised, so the original (more costly) design of a ‘stooping soldier’ was downgraded to the OCTAGONAL LATIN CROSS AND SHAFT, ON SQUARE PLINTH AND TWO STEPPED BASE that we see in the park today.

My question is: what happens if a buyer is not found? Presumably nothing will change and this land will remain as is. I mean they’re hardly going to build on it, or place a 12 foot high electrified perimeter fence around it.
Paul Wilkinson
Friday, July 15, 2011 15:09
As I see it, purchasing the land guarantees that it will be protected and maintained so it can be enjoyed now and by future generations. Anyone who has enjoyed spending time in the park or the clough has been afforded that pleasure by the generosity of previous generations (directly by mill owners and the builder who bought the Sutton Hall estate, but indirectly by the countless hours that local men, women and children toiled in the mills to generate the wealth) - we now have a chance to do our bit to pass something on.

I'm aware that the majority of villagers don't visit this web site, and with the short time scale involved it's important to spread the word quickly - so even if you don't agree with contributing to the purchase it would be a great help if the message was passed on to as many as possible so they can make their own decision. It would be sad if there was a shortfall only for people to come forward after the deadline saying they would have contributed if they had known about it.
Liz Kildunne
Sunday, July 17, 2011 18:02
Do you think it would be worth putting an ad on Facebook - either on the NODISC one (Dawn - can you help?) or on our personal ones? I'll make a pledge. Best Wishes. Liz
Alan Pickles
Sunday, July 17, 2011 18:31
Surely anything that will raise money towards a cause as important to the village as this is worth following up. Has anyone seen fit to make the villagers who are not on line aware of the situation? Posters on lampposts, in shop windows, in the Park cafe. Did anyone use the funday to make people aware? What action has the Parish Council taken?
I am too far away to get directly involved but would willingly contribute towards any action to save the Clough.
Paul Wilkinson
Sunday, July 17, 2011 18:57
Putting a message on the NODISC group page is a great idea, there are hundreds of members, albeit not all from Sutton - anything to spread the word!

The Parish Council has put in a LOT of work behind the scenes and organised an extraordinary meeting where a public vote was taken in favour of pursuing the purchase so the Council is now committed to it. There are some posters by the Clough and pledge forms are available from several places including the pavilion tea room.
David Laycock
Sunday, July 17, 2011 23:05
Hi all from Aus. Yes, we overseas are as good as our word, and my pledge for A$ 250 is in. We can appreciate that you are having a rough time, but surely 10 quid for you and your offspring to enjoy the benifits of the clough and it's facilities, is not too much to ask. One off the first places I visit and show in photos is of the Clough. I agree with opening the info up to face book etc.
Brenda Whitaker
Queensland Australia
Wednesday, July 20, 2011 23:08
Hi folks - thank you Paul for starting a separate item for this issue as the other one is quite full, and this one has a more accurate heading - but the original one is good as a reference point if anyone needs more background to the discussion - 'Land at Sutton Clough for sale'.
It is also good to have the 'count down' to the closing date for pledges on the home page, a prompt to anyone who is still getting 'around to it' or A Round Tuit !
So come on everyone get those pledges in. It doesnt need to be posted on the forum - just get the pledges in to the council NOW.
Paul Wilkinson
Wednesday, July 27, 2011 21:06
There was a pledge form on my doormat when I got home from work, so someone has organised a leaflet drop.
Alan Pickles
Sunday, July 31, 2011 16:14
TEN DAYS AND COUNTING - Have we any idea if there is going to be any chance at all of the Lumb Clough being bought for posterity for the villagers? Have the Parish Council given any indication as to the amount of money pledged? Is anyone charging round the village encouraging people to donate apart from putting forms through letter boxes? Best of luck.
Paul Wilkinson
Monday, August 1, 2011 16:32
Hi Alan - £10,000 pledged so far, which is brilliant - but still a long way to go! The crusade to spread the word continues...

If anyone has a form and is intending making a pledge, could they return the form to the Parish Council as soon as possible.
Brenda Whitaker
Queensland Australia
Monday, August 1, 2011 22:09
I believe I have read somewhere that the village has or had a Community Radio station - if it still exists has there been an appeal broadcast using that medium? Or, could one be instigated. It's a bit late I know but I have only just thought of it. Any kind of 'hurry-up' is worth a try.
It is encouraging that the appeal has got to the halfway mark just isn't enough is it?
Samantha Butterfield
Sutton in Craven
Tuesday, August 2, 2011 07:30
Hi, I got the letter but I must admit to being a little concerned. After the things the local coucil have tried to pull over the last few years, I just asumed that they were wanting to buy the land so that they could sell it to building contractors at a later date. Does anyone know for sure that this WILL NOT happen? It's at the end of my road so you can understand my paranoia!
Paul Wilkinson
Tuesday, August 2, 2011 08:13
Hi Samantha - I think you're confusing the PARISH COUNCIL with CRAVEN DISTRICT COUNCIL.

The Parish Council wants to acquire the land on behalf of the villagers to prevent anything happening to it and preserve it for the future.

Samantha Butterfield
Sutton in Craven
Tuesday, August 2, 2011 16:03
Hi Paul, thanks for sorting my registration. I understand the difference between the two but to be honest I don't really understand a whole lot else. For example, who says how Parish money is spent? Are there any controlling factors from CDC regarding how the money that is given to the Parish from them is spent? Etc. Obviously, I don't expect you to answer these and the million other questions I have and I want to preserve anything I can in the area I love enough to bring up my children in but I'm worried. Why was the meeting for this not announced clearly and in good time and why is nobody questioning the price of the land? If it's not arable and it can't be built on then it sounds very expensive, especially when there will be a price tag associated with its upkeep. I personally don't mind a bit extra on MY council tax but I certainly can't speak for everyone in the area. What I'm not happy to pay for is for others to use it as a dog toilet like the rest of it seems to be used for. Sorry, starting to sound like a rant!!
Andrew Monkhouse
Hanoi, Vietnam
Tuesday, August 2, 2011 22:15
Well according to Clerk almost 3 weeks ago, "ANOTHER offer has been put in for the land"

I don't know whether this means that 2 offers have now been firmly placed on the land over & above the intended 'collective Sutton offer', which presumably has not yet be put in until and only if adequate funds are raised.

So nothing is certain even if 20,000 smackeroonies is raised by the village.
Jean Boreham
Sutton resident
Thursday, August 4, 2011 19:16
My son is a volunteer at Drystone Radio and he has today broadcast requests for local people to pledge money to purchase this land for Sutton so hopefully the target will be met.
Sutton Parish Council meet every first Monday of the month at 6.45 pm in the meeting hut on North Street. The public can attend.
I understand there is an extraordinary meeting next Monday the 8th
Jean Boreham
Sutton resident
Friday, August 5, 2011 12:04
The meeting next Monday the 8th is in the Park Pavilion at 6.45pm
Paul Wilkinson
Friday, August 5, 2011 12:32
Is this an Extraordinary Meeting or just the General Meeting for August? The agenda on the Parish Council website looks to be for a normal monthly meeting.
Friday, August 5, 2011 14:23
It is a normal monthly Parish Council Meeting.
Friday, August 5, 2011 15:20
To help clarify:

Parish Council Meetings:
Are formal events where councillors are summonsed to attend a meeting of Sutton-in-Craven Parish Council.
There is a section for Public Participation - Members of the public may address the council for a period of up to fifteen minutes (Chairman's discretion) - with each person to speak for no more than 3 minutes. Members of the public may not speak during other parts of the meeting unless invited to do so by the Chairman.

Parish Meetings:
Are usually called by the Chairman of the Parish Council or any two Parish Councillors. Persons entitled to attend, speak and vote are those who are registered as Local Government Electors for the Parish (i.e Residents of Sutton-in-Craven who are registered on the Electoral Register).

Extra Ordinary Meetings:
Are Parish Council Meetings which are in addition to the normal once a month meetings.
Alan Pickles
Friday, August 5, 2011 20:14
I am not entitled to attend a Parish Council Meeting as I no longer figure as an entry in the Electoral roll for Sutton in Craven. Having said that can I ask if the matter of the land for sale in Lumb Clough is likely to be on the agenda for the next Parish Council Meeting? Is an agenda published for the information of those who are entitled to attend?
I have no wish to interfere in the business of the Council I am just an outsider with an interest in the Lumb Clough preservation for future generations enjoyment.
Paul Wilkinson
Friday, August 5, 2011 23:19
"Land for sale - Lumb Clough" is point 9 on item 8 on the Agenda, which can be viewed on the Parish Council website.

You can download the Agenda here.

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