Friday, October 17, 2008 01:33
RE: Victory or no victory for NODISC?
Hi guys. After the meeting at south Craen School I have two things to raise. The first is we need to make sure that the councillors are in fact named and which way they vote. Can anyone confirm one way or the other that this is already a requirement for the vote on 22nd of Oct? The second thing Id like to raise is the fact that despite the apparent victory we were told we got tonight we still need to be sure to arrive at the vote on 22nd. If only to provide a presence in the chambers. One thing that stood out to me tonight was the fact that after he stated that the council would have to respect the majority opposition to the plans, he then got very unclear when I asked him if that therefore meant that he would be voting against the plans himself. I do not trust him or his associates. It has been suggested to me that at the vote it would be sensible not to be antagonistic
so to avoid getting the councillors backs up prior to the vote. I believe this is probably the best policy. However if the mathematics look like it starts to go against us then getting vocal might then be the right thing to do. Any comments from anyone on that?
Glusburn (ex Suttoner)
Friday, October 17, 2008 06:03
i went on the craven district council web site yesterday and their is a section on the freedom of information act, you may want to look at
i think all the votes by every member should be accountable to the public
i managed to get inside the hall last night and i thought they got our message.
also saw the calendar news report when i got home in which the NODISC campaign came across really well
i think the points you raised in the meeting were very valid points and thanks for all your help in this campaign
i wish ady Green was head of council not knowles fitton
Friday, October 17, 2008 07:42
|i wasn't at the meetings, i couldn't get in, but antagonising, heckling or shouting at anyone isn't to be encouraged.
i'm surprised anyone would think that being antagonistic is a good idea in the first place.
last night was a victory, in that people turned out. in force. it was an encouraging thing to see. As has been said though, the momentum needs to keep going.
It's got to be apparent that the opposition last night wasn't just a flash in the pan.
Friday, October 17, 2008 08:09
|The response to the call to go to the meeting was a FANTASTIC success. But we haven't yet achieved victory. Attendees have more than doubled at each campaign meeting since the Sutton Parish Council meeting. We need to keep that momentum going.
For me, victory would be seeing the RSS/LDF annual build figure revised back to its original 180. Leaving it at 250 is not enough. Anything above 180 is there to accommodate Growth Point population distribution - a Government created problem.
Friday, October 17, 2008 08:54
|It seems CDC is giving us the "Victory" sign!
They have a page on their website listing all 30 councillors. Each councillor has their own profile page, complete with mugshot photo. Well guess what - they have now removed all the photos!
List of councillors at CDC website
Friday, October 17, 2008 12:01
What a turn-up, taking the photos away. In some respects you can understand why. We have to be sure we don't take a militant stance on this "i.e. vote for us, other wise we know who you are". It could cause an adverse reaction!
Unfortunately, we have to put our trust in democracy on this occasion, no matter how angry we all are - as said before, we need to appeal to their moral selves. Chris Knowles Fitton said last night something along the lines of: "it would be morally wrong to vote this through it this is how the public feel about it" - not an exact quote you understand.
We'll all be there at the council meeting still appealing to them, and I really think this is the right stance at this stage. They know their electorate's feeling on this so they should be with us.
Friday, October 17, 2008 12:14
|The irony of taking the photos away is that there was a refined looking gentleman at the front of the hall who I had a brief word with after the meeting. He said he was a District Councillor and gave his name and ward (not from South Craven), both of which I thought I would remember but didn't. I was going to post a message here thanking him for putting in the effort to attend the meeting and went to the councillors' profile pages to check his details as I would have recognized his photo.
Saturday, October 18, 2008 07:21
|Photos now back on the site - must have been a technical hitch - you'll be able to find your Councillor now webmaster.
Saturday, October 18, 2008 09:39
|Thanks Liz, it was Councillor John Kenneth Roberts, Upper Wharfedale Ward.
Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:56
|I recieved a phone call from one Jodie Walsh who told me that not only had the photos gone but also all the links to complain about councillors had also suddenly become unusable too. I did look briefly to see how a complaint could be registered but it was not too clear so I couldnt fully analyse this.
Saturday, October 18, 2008 12:07
|Well guys, I have been thinking about my role in this campaign and I believe that my " professional agitation" has had a direct effect and put a lot of pressure on the council as was clearly evident when I arrived at the meeting on Thurs and Knowles Fitton chose to be my best mate for 25 mins. However I have taken into account what some other campaigners have said to me and I do believe that at this point in the game it may be best if I back off and allow normal discussions to prevail and hope that " morals" ( Liz Im trusting you here) win the day. Personly I think it is very dangerous to assume that dodgey councillors actualy have morals but a part of me realy does hope it is true so I am prepared to go with that flow and see if it actualy happens. So, I have decided to go back to my work load and take care of Shelterboxes theme music, build web sites and Reconvene with the London Met. If there is anything more I can do please do let me know guys , Il help in any way I can. I think you are all wonderful powerful people and I feel safe living here because of it. Paul, I wasnt kidding about the Jam... we got to do it dood!
Saturday, October 18, 2008 13:06
|Basil, thank you for your comments and appreciate your time, energy and effort, you have without doubt, worked very hard.
However, I would also like to point out that EVERYBODY who has played a part in this campaign has had a direct effect and it is the fact that we have all pulled together which has put pressure on the council.
Saturday, October 18, 2008 13:14
|Basil, we still need AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE to attend the Council Meeting in Skipton on Wednesday 22nd October. Successful as the campaign was at South Craven School, we can't assume anything at all about what will happen on Wednesday, the crux of our campaign.
I know you took on the role of "agitator", playing it with vigour and expertise, and you have been a key player in the campaign. Only you can decide what you want to do, but could you not rein in the horses but stay on board for the ride?
Then we can play some Freedom guitars, keep on straight ahead!
Saturday, October 18, 2008 22:30
|anon, im fully aware that this has been a team effort but i think you'll agree that i really have pushed agitation to the edge and have perhaps been a little more antagonistic to the council than most. My style of protest, I know, has made many campaigners very uncomfortable. I have a reputation in some quarters for being OTT!! Can you believe that? At Thursdays meeting I was approached by Liz who seemed very intent on convincing me that being a pain to the council at the vote would be completely unhelpful. I can not guarantee that if I go I wont be just as vocal with them as I have been all the way through this. This was the main reason I decided to back off and let everyone else deal with it from now. I was gaining the perception that I was not needed there.
Paul. Now Im confused.
I obviously want to help but I do not wish to annoy my neighbours.
I will give this some thought, take further advice and make a decision as to whether I should turn up on my birthday! ( Im 44 on the 22nd of OCT!)
Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:00
|craven councillors beware !! they were elected to do the will of the people ei to REPRESENT, they should take note of the strong opposition to these proposals and remember that they are of the people by the people FOR THE PEOPLE !!and that any deviation from from this principle will probably be reflected in the ballot box in due course
Sunday, October 19, 2008 12:17
|Basil, I have to agree with the Webmaster, you ARE still needed, and welcomed, it would be a pity if you did not see this through. I do hope you come along on Wednesday , but if not, HAPPY BIRTHDAY for then :-)
Sunday, October 19, 2008 12:30
|Hey Basil, when we chatted at Thursday's meeting, in no way was I trying to get you to back off from the campaign. We need everyone who's willing to keep up the fight. All I was trying to say was that we (all of us) should try to keep the lid on the agitation - just in case it jeopardises the vote. Hope to see you on Weds, even if its outside, cos there's too many people again!! If not, have a great birthday, and hopefully you'll have something to celebrate :-)
Monday, October 20, 2008 02:07
|Thanks guys! It would indeed be a great birthday present to see the vote go in our favour! OK Il go, but if its inside I cannot guarantee a closed mouth if they start talking rubbish again! lol! I just can not help myself. I am loyal to truth and common sense! What time does it start at ?
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 18:53
|Basil - keep going - you make the forum interesting!